Political random thoughts

myESAi Forum Index » Current Affairs and Politics

Post new topic  Reply to topic

Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... , 10, 11, 12  Next

Calrunner
AdmaQi

Send private message

View user's profile
Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:43 pm   
Ethnic baiting might just be the answer we've been looking for centuries...

Lela_Mar;
Please do not blame those who question your ethiopiawinet (“the true Ethiopians) as they have been feeling less Ethiopian lately due to the woyane govt.
On a serious note, you should know tegaru have been at the for front defending the nation we all proudly call Ethiopia and saying like “we will leave you if u don’t’ want us” is not Tigrean , has never been and never will. Tigray whether they like it or now will remain Ethiopian.


_________________
Got more patience than an Enetere Driver...
defar
Web Team

Send private message

View user's profile
Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:21 pm   
pardon my ignorance. its the first time i'm hearing the word Tegaru how did it come about?


_________________
"It's only us who can hinder us." - Alex
Alex
Alumni Team

Send private message

View user's profile
Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:10 am   
Lela_mar wrote:
we will not force ourselves to be your neighbors, God has given us a blessed land too, and if time comes that we are no Longer Welcome as Ethiopians we will congregate to it. But it is sad I have to Say “WE” here, as if I am not Ethiopian, but the reality pushes me to do so.


Lela_mar, with all due respect, who made you a Tigrian representative? Do you think you can speak on behalf of the Tigrian people by saying "WE"? There are also Tigrians who are as unsatisfied with this government as most of us are. So, please speak for yourself.


_________________
EthioTube - Broadcast Ethiopia
http://www.ethiotube.net
Alex
Alumni Team

Send private message

View user's profile
Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:10 am   
Gooch wrote:
So it's unrealistic to expect Tigreans (particularly) to change the EPRDF.


Gooch,

That's one disrespectful comment to Tigrians in the opposition.


Ethiopia,

I agree with you to some extent that, when it comes to ethnicity, Ethiopians in Ethiopia are more tolerant than Ethiopians in the diaspora. Unfortunately, this is changing dramatically since Election 05. Have you been to Ethiopia since the last Election? it's getting ugly each day.

Let me give you an example of what happened to the family of my Tigrian friend: It's a Tigrian family in Addis, huge family. Back in 2005, just like most Ethiopians, they were impressed with the way CUD intellectuals challenged government officials on national television. All of a sudden, most of the family members became CUD supporters. Election Sunday passed; landslide victory for CUD in Addis. The next day, friends(non-tigrians) of that family started looking at them strangely. My friends' uncle got the most of this unpleasant experience. He had a friend whom he knew for years. This friend was a non-Tigrian. He told his Tigrian friend, "enantema aleqelachihu! wagachihun new yemitagegnut::" My friend's uncle couldn't believe what he heard. Mind you, he voted for CUD and this is happening on the day after Election Sunday.

This continued. Then came the unthinkable November 2005. CUD's misconceived call on the public to isolate those government associates who were responsible by supporting the extra-judicial killings, beating, and imprisonment of innocent lives didn't help the situation. People translated that call into "isolate Tigrians". My friends' family became victim. Local residents rocked their house with stones. Non-CUD voters in the family looked at the CUD voters and said, "Look what your CUD brought to our family!"

My friend said to me, "You know, nobody in my family ever supported TPLF, but a party they thought will bring change is treating their existence." I tried to tell him that non of CUD's call was towards Tigrians, and that he can't make CUD responsible for irresponsibility of some local individuals.

One thing is clear: amateur politician comments like Ato Bedru Adem(speaking about EPRDF, wedemeTubet inimelisachewalen) worsened the already very tense situation. I think CUD should have seen it come. That agliluachew call did a lot more damage than it did good.

My friends' family, just like so many Tigrian families, can now be seen as a hostage of TPLF.

So, folks, as I said, let's not put a civil service college graduate TPLF cadre and ordinary Tigrian in one basket.


_________________
EthioTube - Broadcast Ethiopia
http://www.ethiotube.net
Gooch
WeTat

Send private message

View user's profile
Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:49 am   
Alex wrote:
Gooch wrote:
So it's unrealistic to expect Tigreans (particularly) to change the EPRDF.


Gooch,

That's one disrespectful comment to Tigrians in the opposition.

Alex,

Now that I read it again, I can see how it can be misinterpreted, but read it in context. There are two things I was trying to say:

1) I agree with Lela Mar that in principle one cannot expect Tigreans to do more than the rest of the population to change the EPRDF. A Tigrean doesn't have more responsibility than others just because he is born a Tigrean. EPRDF supporters bear responsibility for the EPRDF's actions,

2) Like I said, it is difficult for minorities to go against their vanguard, and this is a recognized social phenomenon worldwide, not particular to Ethiopia and not particular to Tigreans. I am saying that most people in their position would support the EPRDF, so this is no indictment against Tigreans. Nothing disprespectful about this; in fact, I am implying that those Tigreans who go against the grain and don't support the TPLF are exceptional.

By the way, I do agree with you that there is strong resentment against Tigreans in Ethiopia, but it has been there ever since the EPRDF took power, accumulating slowly, waiting to explode. Unless the EPRDF make significant changes in the next five to ten years, I don't see any way of avoiding the explosion.

Calrunner
AdmaQi

Send private message

View user's profile
Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:22 pm   
Quote:
By the way, I do agree with you that there is strong resentment against Tigreans in Ethiopia, but it has been there ever since the EPRDF took power, accumulating slowly, waiting to explode. Unless the EPRDF make significant changes in the next five to ten years, I don't see any way of avoiding the explosion.


If anything, it’s such kind of threatening remarks that pushed many tegaru residing in addis to side by EPRDF. It’s nothing new though..we have been threatened before and we’re still here


_________________
Got more patience than an Enetere Driver...
Gooch
WeTat

Send private message

View user's profile
Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:58 pm   
Calrunner wrote:
Quote:
By the way, I do agree with you that there is strong resentment against Tigreans in Ethiopia, but it has been there ever since the EPRDF took power, accumulating slowly, waiting to explode. Unless the EPRDF make significant changes in the next five to ten years, I don't see any way of avoiding the explosion.


If anything, it’s such kind of threatening remarks that pushed many tegaru residing in addis to side by EPRDF. It’s nothing new though..we have been threatened before and we’re still here

My bad, I haven't been communicating well lately. Knowing full well the over-sensitivity and siege mentality among minorities (to be clear, I am not talking about Tigreans in particular; same for Basques in Spain, Quebecois in Canada, ..., it's an abstract principle) I should have anticipated misinterpretation and chosen my words carefully.

Take what I wrote at face value. What I'm saying is that repression cannot last forever - all dictatorships come to an end sooner or later. The EPRDF dictatorship has proven itself quite capable, much more similar to Haile Sellassie than the inept Dergue, so I figure it will last at least five more years, but more likely a decade. But we all hope and pray that in the meantime, the EPRDF moderates a bit, decreasing the levels of repression, and slowly diffusing the hatred the population has for it.

Needless to say, but I suppose it needs to be said, I, sitting in comfortable Canada, am in no position to threaten anyone. The democracy movement, which I support, is a non-violent movement, and relatively disorganized and inept at that. It is in no position to threaten neither Tigreans nor the vaunted TPLF and in fact, in keeping with its democratic, pluralist, and inclusive agenda, has properly gone out of its way, unlike me, to be careful not to say or do anything that might be interpreted in any way as threatening by the TPLF or Tigreans. Given the level of resentment in the general population against Tigreans, the democracy movement has been a superb moderating influence.

In addition, it is clear that the TPLF is by far the most disciplined, well-organized and powerful political force in Ethiopia. (It should not surprise us at all that TPLF members are proud of their party and look down upon opposition organizations - I would too if I were in their position.) There is no credible threat (for power) against the TPLF now, and it doesn't look like there'll be for some time to come. But, like I said, in the long run, all dictatorships come to an end.

Calrunner
AdmaQi

Send private message

View user's profile
Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:36 pm   
Quote:
My bad, I haven't been communicating well lately. Knowing full well the over-sensitivity and siege mentality among minorities (to be clear, I am not talking about Tigreans in particular; same for Basques in Spain, Quebecois in Canada, ..., it's an abstract principle) I should have anticipated misinterpretation and chosen my words carefully.





_________________
Got more patience than an Enetere Driver...
aba kostir
AdmaQi

Send private message

View user's profile
Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:28 pm   
what is he saying?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL9y2upoubE&mode=related&search=[/youtube]


_________________
teseQele bilugn tebmenjaw neiw biye
teseQele bilugn shigutu neiw biye
lekas Belay norual tiliQu sewiye!!
B
Division Head

Send private message

View user's profile
Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:40 pm   
aba kostir wrote:
what is he saying?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL9y2upoubE&mode=related&search=[/youtube]


he's saying he's happy to be a part of them to be born from the tigrayan people gelemele

B
Division Head

Send private message

View user's profile
Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:52 pm   
oh leka my teacher already spoke on this
http://www.esai.org/myESAi/posting.php?mode=quote&p=94329

chereka wrote:
Alex wrote:
Zebegna wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL9y2upoubE&eurl=[/youtube]


What's Meles saying on this video?

Tigrigna speaking ESAians, please help.


Translation:

....Amarigna..............................................Engilizegna......
Enquan yihe hizb ye lela sew alhone (I'm glad you are our people/not other people's people)
Enquan kEnante tefeTerin (I'm glad we were created amongst you)
Yehe new ye eyandandu HeweHat tegadalay emnet (this is the belief of each TPLF fighter)
Enquan kEnante tegegnen (I'm glad we were found among you)
Enquan bada alhonachehu (I'm glad you are not strangers)
Enquan be ruq eyayen yeminiqenabachehu alhonachu ( I'm glad your not just people we look at from afar and be jealous of)

'I'm glad' is the only thing I can come up with for Enquan…Hmm more like 'it's Good!' with an exclamation but I'm sure you'll only need the Amharic...

Just saw the caption at youtube for this
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=meles+zenawi&search=Search
Quote:
" Meles Zenawi Speech at a TPLF Rally. He boastfully declared that he feels proud to be a descendent of the "golden Tigreans" unlike the rest of us, "riffraff" Ethiopians." . EPPF Research Department. www.eppf.info/'

He said no such thing...not in this clip. And if he did say it later in this rally, or before, I would think they would have uploaded that to prove their point rather than something that doesn't even remotely say what is quoted...


Felasfa
AdmaQi

Send private message

View user's profile
Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:14 pm   
aba kostir wrote:
what is he saying?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL9y2upoubE&mode=related&search=[/youtube]


daym! His melaxa has been changed to a medium size runway for flies.

Somebody spray him with aerosol and ductape his stinking mouth.


_________________
http://oromantic.com
myESAi Image
myESAi Image
aba kostir
AdmaQi

Send private message

View user's profile
Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:35 am   
Thanks, B. Now I know where to go when I need a Tigrigna translator.


_________________
teseQele bilugn tebmenjaw neiw biye
teseQele bilugn shigutu neiw biye
lekas Belay norual tiliQu sewiye!!
Alex
Alumni Team

Send private message

View user's profile
Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:48 am   
aba kostir wrote:
Thanks, B. Now I know where to go when I need a Tigrigna translator.


For a more detailed translation, check this thread out.


_________________
EthioTube - Broadcast Ethiopia
http://www.ethiotube.net
B
Division Head

Send private message

View user's profile
Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:49 am   
aba kostir wrote:
Thanks, B. Now I know where to go when I need a Tigrigna translator.


yeah, chereka
my tigrigna can't get you pass welqayt

Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... , 10, 11, 12  Next

myESAi Forum Index » Current Affairs and Politics » Political random thoughts » Reply to topic

. . .
. Most users ever online was 252 on Mon May 14, 2012 9:07 am.