The "offensive" question - 'what's ur ethnic backg
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Ephraim wrote: Empress wrote: Ghion wrote: Empress wrote: Well, Ghion..for every positive story u give me, I can give u one negative. For that hilighted statement of urs to be true, I need a scientific survey. And u think u "know it for a fact", I tell u u don't, because its just based on ur experience. The Amhara experience goes beyond ur hometown and ur parents. You dont' need a scientific survey to prove facts. You need a survy to prove a theory. and who are you to tell me i don't know it for a fact how do you know that? Ende you are kind of derke. i told you i lived among these peopel and i have a first hand experianc of what these people are like. The Amhara experiance starts at my hometown and with my parents... better not call me names anyway, u lived in a totally Amhara community where they didn't have to deal with other ethnic groups in their day to day life. Your mom took in two wounded Oromo soldiers, God bless her, its a good thing.....but that doesn't explain the view of all Amharas towards other ethnic groups. I lived in a mixed community, where there are mostly Oromos, Amharas, Tigres, and Gurages, and It surprises me when I think about it now that Amhara superiority complex was the norm and nobody questioned it (only in a few incidents specially under this regime, forexample, a school mate of mine sued an Amhara girl who said, "Galla ena shinfila bitateb aynetam" to him.) Thats the way it has always been. Quote: Empress wrote: While u r here, let me ask ya a q, Ghion Above, u noted how u think Tigres are patriotic Ethiopians, that is fine (even though it is generalizing)....but u bring me back to how all this discussion started. The discussion started with Anebesa suggesting that other Ethiopians that resent Amharas are anti-Ethiopians because Amharas put their Ethiopianness before their Amharanness (thus making them the only symbol of Ethiopianness, it seems). I know for sure that there are (SOME) Tigres who resent Amharas. Does that make them anti-Ethiopian? first use commonsense, you shouldnt'e ven ask that. Any sane person would not say that Amhara's are the ONLY symbole of Ethiopianess. But anyone who has hate for any other Ethiopian based on ethinic background is not a good citizen and will not have a posetive contribution for the development of our country. People should be evaluated based on their individual merit not based on their ethnicity. So, yes I despise anyone who has hate for people based on ethnic backgrounds… And another question..... Well, so many people are insane according to that statement, and I am cool with that. Thank you. As for the statement in italics, whether the person is a good citizen or not is another story...u can call him all u want, but not anti-Ethiopian! Even though hating is a bad thing, anybody has the right to hate anybody and still stay Ethiopian. Now, why they hate and hate a specific group and what that makes that person and whether the act is right or wrong is another story, but just because someone hates/resents another ethnic group, that doesn't make them anti-Ethiopian. Ethiopianness is beyond that. A single ethnic group doesn't rep the country, but the diversity does. Even this being said, it would be a good argument if a person says "I think these people are anti-Ethiopian, because they hated something that is Ethiopian", but the response I got was that anybody who resents Amharas is anti-Ethiopian because Amharas put their Ethiopianness before their ethnicity. Rediculous. You say: "People should be evaluated based on their individual merit not based on their ethnicity." I totally agree with this statement. However, don't u think this theory should apply whether the outcome of the evaluation is positive or negative? Explanation: If you think people should be evaluated based on their individual merit, then we should stop making collective statements, such as, "Amaharas put their Ethiopianness before their ethnicity...", even if they are positive statements. Your statement should not only apply when the statement is negative, such as, "many Amharas I have met feel superior over other ethnic groups". If I am not allowed to make the latter statement based on the argument of "not generalizing" even though my experiences are true, as are my readings, same thing should apply to u, because u've never met all Amharas across Ethiopia. Quote: Empress wrote: I know there are Oromos who do not say they are Ethiopians, many of them, specially in the diaspora. That doesn't definately represent all Oromos. Just like those Oromos who tell u their non-Ethiopianness up front, do u believe there possibly are Amharas that feel superior over other ethnic groups? Is there a possibility or not? again commonsense, how can all people in the same ethnic groups think alike. How that even possible? When ever we talk about one ethinic group or another we are generalizing. Ofcourse all Oromos don't think alike and there are many who love and cherish their Ethiopianess. Ofcorus there are many Amahars whith many different kind of issues and complexities some of them with a superiority complex. But these people doest not represent the majority. The majority of Amahar does not feel they are superior than other Ethiopians. That’s my point. So don't you and ur parents. You do not know that. Empress, CAN YOU JUST ACCEPT THE TRUTH~~~~drop it AND THINK ABOUT ANOTHER GREAT TOPIC THAT WE CAN ALL SHARE (can't live without you is boring. think of another sis) which is what? 
and u tell me to "drop and think about another topic that we can all share"? What, have u been paying me to be out here that I write/ think when u tell me to or somethin? am I missin somethin? if u don't like it, stay the hey out of it eshi nefsu.  don't come messin with what I should think/write about. Tegbaban?
now if u excuse me, am goin to lunch  _________________ Says a tribal chief: “Here in Lesotho, we have two problems: Rats and the government.” No body, no one, not even those who perpetrate or/and perpetuate it, deserve injustice. |
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Empress Wrote:
Quote: now if u excuse me, am goin to lunch
What are you having for lunch? |
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zFuNk wrote: Empress Wrote:
Quote: now if u excuse me, am goin to lunch
What are you having for lunch? I'll tell u when I come back.....lol, thought that I wasn't goin aydel? but am goin now for real....and I am probably gonna have ye misir wet be injera (we always eat injera)...i am goin home for lunch, my work is close to my place. _________________ Says a tribal chief: “Here in Lesotho, we have two problems: Rats and the government.” No body, no one, not even those who perpetrate or/and perpetuate it, deserve injustice. |
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ShalomShalom wrote: Ghion, how can you argue about Amharas in general to by using certain part of Amhara sample that you interacted with (lived with)… The long discussion b/n Eliab and Empress was to discredit generalizations based on the ppl you have met only. So, I would take it as that.
You should ask Empress the same question. At least, I know more Amharas than her. I have lived amongst them. I have traveled and meet a lot of Amhars in Gojjam and Gonder…. and I have a pretty good idea of what I am talking about. On the other hand Empress’s theory is based on her experience with the minority Amahars in Iilibabour and based on the Shabia and Woyan’s propaganda that the Amhara is the oppressor. As an Amahar Ethiopian, that offends me greatly because that’s far from the truth. The Majority of Amahars (the farmer) had never benefited from this so-called Amahara domination and thus does not feel superior. In every government we had the Amahar was always equally oppressed and used for the benefit of the few. It’s always only those few who benefited from the system not the ordinary farmer who works day and night for his survival and for his oppressors. During Hailesellasie there were more riots in Gojjam than anywhere else because the feudal system used and abused the farmer. During Mengstu, the Amhara people suffered as much as the rest of Ethiopia did. When EPRDF took power, the Amahars in different non-amehar rigions took the first hit. We all know what happened in Harar and else where to innocent Amahar residents. I really don’t understand how you young and supposedly educated Ethiopians are not able to see beyond these hateful propagandas and find out the truth for yourself. When you talk about the Amahara population you are talking about the 80-90% farmer population. And do you honestly believe that most of these Amahara populations look down on other Ethiopians? Do you have any idea how the farmer of Amahara lives and conduct his life. If you did, you would realize that the farmer doesn’t even have the time or the luxury to entertain such disgraceful thoughts, that he are better than other Ethiopians. My argument is not just based on the people I met… there is a big difference between meeting people and living their life. And yes, the people I lived with are a big part of the Amahara population. I have lived in different parts of Gojjam and have stayed in Gonder…. |
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Ghion wrote: ShalomShalom wrote: Ghion, how can you argue about Amharas in general to by using certain part of Amhara sample that you interacted with (lived with)… The long discussion b/n Eliab and Empress was to discredit generalizations based on the ppl you have met only. So, I would take it as that.
You should ask Empress the same question. At least, I know more Amharas than her. I have lived amongst them. I have traveled and meet a lot of Amhars in Gojjam and Gonder…. and I have a pretty good idea of what I am talking about. On the other hand Empress’s theory is based on her experience with the minority Amahars in Iilibabour and based on the Shabia and Woyan’s propaganda that the Amhara is the oppressor. As an Amahar Ethiopian, that offends me greatly because that’s far from the truth. The Majority of Amahars (the farmer) had never benefited from this so-called Amahara domination and thus does not feel superior. In every government we had the Amahar was always equally oppressed and used for the benefit of the few. It’s always only those few who benefited from the system not the ordinary farmer who works day and night for his survival and for his oppressors. During Hailesellasie there were more riots in Gojjam than anywhere else because the feudal system used and abused the farmer. During Mengstu, the Amhara people suffered as much as the rest of Ethiopia did. When EPRDF took power, the Amahars in different non-amehar rigions took the first hit. We all know what happened in Harar and else where to innocent Amahar residents. What exactly is the difference? But anyway, not really, my opinion aignt based only on that. Quote: I really don’t understand how you young and supposedly educated Ethiopians are not able to see beyond these hateful propagandas and find out the truth for yourself. When you talk about the Amahara population you are talking about the 80-90% farmer population. And do you honestly believe that most of these Amahara populations look down on other Ethiopians?Do you have any idea how the farmer of Amahara lives and conduct his life. If you did, you would realize that the farmer doesn’t even have the time or the luxury to entertain such disgraceful thoughts, that he are better than other Ethiopians.
I don't know if u know this, but....when I was back home, there is an influx of people from the north (mostly of Gojjam and Gonder) that come down to the west to get jobs as wezaders every year. Some happened to be among the first that assured me the existence of such a superiority complex. These people were farmers, and regular people back at their place...they save money and go back from time to time to buy their relatives bere or things like that. Quote: My argument is not just based on the people I met… there is a big difference between meeting people and living their life. And yes, the people I lived with are a big part of the Amahara population. I have lived in different parts of Gojjam and have stayed in Gonder….
ok Ghion, nobody gets anything out of proving whether Amharas feel superior over other ethnic groups or not. I know what I know, and u know what u know. But I don't need any more Gura around here claiming other ethnic groups that recent Amhara are anti-Ethiopian, and that is because Amharas put their Ethiopianness before their Ethnicity. Nobody is tsadik. As u said....let people be evaluated based on their individual merit atleast when it comes to this issue. _________________ Says a tribal chief: “Here in Lesotho, we have two problems: Rats and the government.” No body, no one, not even those who perpetrate or/and perpetuate it, deserve injustice. |
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well said, ghion |
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[quote="ShalomShalom"]Ephraim, tsk tsk tsk  … you’re just a baby!
Shalom, you just lost the RESPECT i have for you!~!~!~!Think b4 u say something shalom i thought you were better than that. (i guess afterall YOU are oromo) you like that? _________________ "Chance Favors a Prepared Mind" |
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Ephraim, is that supposed to be an offensive line .. or what? If so, which part of it?
Ghion wrote: ShalomShalom wrote: Ghion, how can you argue about Amharas in general to by using certain part of Amhara sample that you interacted with (lived with)… The long discussion b/n Eliab and Empress was to discredit generalizations based on the ppl you have met only. So, I would take it as that.
You should ask Empress the same question. At least, I know more Amharas than her. She was challenged about that already and she had rephrased it to "The amharas I met" did this and that... (see prev. pages) and I saw you doing the same thing that she was doing at the begining, only on the other extreme. That is why I called you out on it. _________________ 
are you pondering what i am pondering, pinky? (c) |
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which is what?
and u tell me to "drop and think about another topic that we can all share"? What, have u been paying me to be out here that I write/ think when u tell me to or somethin? am I missin somethin? if u don't like it, stay the hey out of it eshi nefsu. don't come messin with what I should think/write about. Tegbaban?
now if u excuse me, am goin to lunch [/quote]
Empress, you might as well just mechegne instead of threathin me. _________________ "Chance Favors a Prepared Mind" |
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The term Galla before it was applied to the oromos was ,a collective name given to all peoples who are neither christian nor muslim.So it was in no way derogatory ,as Anbassa said.But ,you know ,it is a custom in our society to use "normal" words as insult.A good example is gebere;surly it is not an insult but people use it to refer to some one who is "uncivilized".
I agree that if the Oromos does not want to be called Galla,they should not be called.But they should also know that Galla is not an insult. As Anbassa said , the term Galla become derogatory much later.In fact one of my Raya tigre friend told me that the oromos living there do not even know the word Oromo;they only call themselves Galla. The oromos themselves have a habit of calling non oromos esp Amharas as Sidama which is derogatory to them(Amharas).One of my classmate who came from Fiche told me that the Oromos always call the Amharas as Sidama. About menelik said this and that, i tell u that it is a mender werE.you could never bring an evidence that Menelik said that.after all he had no reason to say that.In fact most of his loyal supporters were oromos,not Amharas.After he died it was rumoured that his body was going to be removed from the palace.his oromo guards rebelled saying, "ye getachinen rEsa manim ayawetatem!" I'm quite sure he was loved by them. Please note that while the Oromos were ruling during Zemene-mesafint,they were always refered to as Galla.If the oromos living at that time did not comsider it as insult,I don't know why the present oromos feel like that. _________________ "GOOD MEMORIES CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE" |
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I din't know Galla was an insult nick-name for Oromo. I thought Galla was one of the Ethiopian tribes name. Any idea how they got the nick name? I mean, why are Oromos called Galla? |
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Empress wrote: Anebesa wrote: Ephraim wrote: Anebesa wrote: What do you say to people who would applaud the invasion of Somalies in early 60's and 70's??
U tell me? u seem a clever individual!!! well, I think they pretty much anti-Ethiopia. They resented Amharas and christianity. The applauding the Somalian invasion might qualify one as an anti-Ethiopian for sure.....but does resenting Amharas and Christianity make one an anti-Ethiopia, unless ofcourse those two things are the only/primary symbols of "Ethiopiawinet" for u? A muslim Tigre or Oromo may resent Amharas and hate Christians, does that make that person anti-Ethiopian? Me don't think so. If u resent Amharas and Christians,it means that u don't want them to be with u or don't want to see them.What does that show?Two possibilities! 1)you are anti-Ethiopian b/c Amharas and Christians are Ethiopians, and hating Ethiopians is hating Ethiopia too.2)They(the Amharas and Christians) are not Ethiopians or anti-Ethiopians.Ofcource that would n't take us any where!!!  _________________ "GOOD MEMORIES CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE" |
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Amde wrote: Empress wrote: Anebesa wrote: Ephraim wrote: Anebesa wrote: What do you say to people who would applaud the invasion of Somalies in early 60's and 70's??
U tell me? u seem a clever individual!!! well, I think they pretty much anti-Ethiopia. They resented Amharas and christianity. The applauding the Somalian invasion might qualify one as an anti-Ethiopian for sure.....but does resenting Amharas and Christianity make one an anti-Ethiopia, unless ofcourse those two things are the only/primary symbols of "Ethiopiawinet" for u? A muslim Tigre or Oromo may resent Amharas and hate Christians, does that make that person anti-Ethiopian? Me don't think so. If u resent Amharas and Christians,it means that u don't want them to be with u or don't want to see them.What does that show?Two possibilities! 1)you are anti-Ethiopian b/c Amharas and Christians are Ethiopians, and hating Ethiopians is hating Ethiopia too.2)They(the Amharas and Christians) are not Ethiopians or anti-Ethiopians.Ofcource that would n't take us any where!!! but they didn't hate them because they are Ethiopians, they hated them because they are Amharas and Christians. Get it? Whether hating is right or wrong is another story, but I know for sure that one's resenting the other in no way makes one anti-ethiopian. in a family, one brother might resent the other, and i don't think that makes him anti-his family....it just makes him the "resentful brother". anyway, atleast ur reason is even better than that of Anebesa's. _________________ Says a tribal chief: “Here in Lesotho, we have two problems: Rats and the government.” No body, no one, not even those who perpetrate or/and perpetuate it, deserve injustice. |
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Empress wrote: in a family, one brother might resent the other, and i don't think that makes him anti-his family....it just makes him the "resentful brother".
anyway, atleast ur reason is even better than that of Anebesa's. But empress, the resentful brother will be dishonored from the family. Those who hate Christians and Amaharas will be dishonored from their Ethiopianness and forced to leave the land for once and for all. That’s not even going to be up for discussion once we resume power and we will  |
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Mulubrehan wrote: Empress wrote: in a family, one brother might resent the other, and i don't think that makes him anti-his family....it just makes him the "resentful brother".
anyway, atleast ur reason is even better than that of Anebesa's. But empress, the resentful brother will be dishonored from the family. Those who hate Christians and Amaharas will be dishonored from their Ethiopianness and forced to leave the land for once and for all. That’s not even going to be up for discussion once we resume power and we will u know, I have a lotttt of free time at my disposal right now, so i will answer to u......first of all, u cannot force anybody out of the land they have lived at for centuries under no national and international law. So, ur statement is plainly STUPID! "Dishonored from their Ethiopianness...." oh plzzzzzz, that has been what OLF has been fighting for, and it wouldm definately be an honor! Degmo, who the he** do u think u r that u r licensed to give and take away one's Ethiopianness?! "...once we resume power..."....hahahaha, I hope u aignt talkin about Amhara domination, because ...lol, thats really over, u should have gotten used to it by now. It went down the drain loong long time ago. No body is fool anymo. It could happen, though, over everybody's dead body! _________________ Says a tribal chief: “Here in Lesotho, we have two problems: Rats and the government.” No body, no one, not even those who perpetrate or/and perpetuate it, deserve injustice. |
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