Ok langano, plz explain to me, make me understand, what that verse says about praying to angels. Plz.

Secondly, you didn't answer my former question on another verse you gave me either....



What does Luke 12:8 say about praying to Angels? Plz help me. Thank you!

ESATboy,



You are right.....I tried to explain on my post right before yours, the word amalage has two meanings. We do agree on the first one, mastarek, that its only Jesus that was qualified to do so, and he has done it. Meaning 'ye alem Beza' is only Jesus, not Marry and not the angels. And on the second meaning, praying on behalf of one, you said.......



Please help me in finding a verse on the Bible where it suggests to us to take our prayers to angels or directly pray to angels (for example, 'le mela'kt mesal')? Jesus has said over and over for us to ask anything in his name, and it shall be given to us. He even said that he is not to ask God the father on our behalf, instead God the father himself will love us because we have loved Jesus (John 16: 26 - 27). He has also thought us the value of praying together, here on earth. But I have not come across any suggesting praying to angels or having them pray for us. So, please help me find those verses, ESATboy. Thank you!

oooooof....this is hard work....but it's good for me.

I will work on versus that explain the capabilities of angels, saints, and the Virgin Mary.

At the same time....my understanding of intercession is that it is Jesus taking the punishment that we deserved....basically like we all had a rap sheet from jail and he erased all our names and wrote His on it.....so the verdict was cast upon Him to be killed, but no weapon formed against Him will prosper.....Halleluja!

so I don't see intercession as passing on our message to God....that doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me......but I do see Jesus as our intercessor (if that's a proper use of the word) in the context of my definition that whenever we sin and ask God for forgiveness.....Jesus still lives and his death on the cross still wipes away our sins even unto today. We must only ask for the forgiveness (in pure faith and humility) and the price is paid. That's what I think intercession is.

now, amaladge....unless it means what I defined intercession to mean......seems to me to be asking for another to advocate your prayer. As long as the angels, saints, and St. Mary can communicate with God.....I don't see why they couldn't strike up a conversation about us and put in a good word.....I will have to see if the Bible has anything that supports this.

my biggest problem is that I don't know what amaladge, Beza, or mesal mean....unless mesal is like mesalem which is what we do to the Bible and the church walls...and then again...I may not have the meaning of intercession completely correct.

However, if amaladge can be defined as mastarek which means to bring two parties back to good terms like a mediator.....then that is the same as asking the angles to pray for us.....bring us back to good terms with the will of God....help us to do the right thing......like asking your guardian angel to keep guarding you and guiding you.


So I'm leaning towards we are both ok....Jesus intercedes for us even today and the angels and saints can mastarek us .....

ha ha....in defining, I have embraced more....esti everybody pray for me...in the name of Jesus, all the angels and heavenly hosts, all the saints, and the blessed Virgin Mary.

am I learning? am I getting closer?

I agree. And yes, he was killed but rose up from the dead and is now sitting on the right hand side of his father.



I think these meanings of mamaled and intercession are still being confusing. But I agree with your attempt to define intercession in the above paragraph.



Mamaled, as far as I am concerned can have two meanings: #1. Mastarek (which is already done by Jesus. Remember, by dying for us on the cross, Jesus removed the barrier between God and man kind that was set up because of Adam's sin. Today, we have gotten a chance of accepting Christ as our personal savior, and then getting full access to God, because of that. Meaning, the act of mastarek has already been done by Jesus' death for us on the cross.) #2. Praying on behalf of one(The Bible teaches us that we, here on earth, can agree on something and pray on something, could be for eachother, so that whatever we ask for will be given to us. Other than that, Jesus has thought us to pray in his name and whatever we ask for will be give to us.)



Yes, they do communicate with God, but we can't just take that and base something entirely different on it. As far as I am concerned, I have not come across a verse suggesting that we should pray to them, so I am waiting for you to provide me with one. Besides, the problem doesn't stop at asking the angels to pray for us, it is a custom in the EOTC, in Ethiopia, to pray: "Siant Michael, if you do this and that for me, I will do this and that for you." (This is what 'mesal' means by the way.) So, Is it Michael that does things for us? Is it God or the angels that must take the credit for the answers of our prayers? I am hoping you will help me understand.



For amalaj, see above.

Beza means savior. Mary, in EOTC, is usually refered to as "Bezayit alem", meaning savior of the world. But as I wrote above, Jesus is the one who removed the barrier between us and God. So, Mary gave birth to the Savior of the world, but not Savior of the world herself.

Mesal....see above again.



Again, see above. Only Jesus could have done the job of mastarek, and he has done it. Today, when a believer commits a sin, he/she should directly go to God and ask to be cleaned with the blood of Jesus/forgiven. It is not written for us to go to angels, saints, or Mary to "bring is back to good terms with the will of God.......". Plus, they cannot help us do the right thing, only God's grace can help us do so. They all, just like us, worship the Lord! Plus, as for the guardian angels,.... I do love and respect the angel, but I am supposed to give the credit to God, and I ask God to keep protecting me, because he is the one who orders the angels.



See above.

Anyway, so I am hoping and waiting that you wil help me find the verses where we are thought to pray to angels. Any verse that supports that.

God bless you and I do accept your prayer request in case you were saying it to me.....or was it to the angels only?

I respect and love Mary and Angles but they didn't die for me. It's Jesus who died for me. It's by his blood that my sins are washed. Mary for me is a role model. She was living in a time...(the way I see it) were a lotta of ppl have forgotten life. But by living a pure life she was chosen by God to carry his Son. I see it like this, see we all have a perpose in life, when God created us he had a plan for us. but to see the plan we have to live a holy/pure life, a life that don't defile God. Then God will reveal his plan for us.


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