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Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:23 pm   
In my opinion, ESAi has an obligation to stand on the side of the students. ESAi has more in common with the students than the Ethiopian education minister.
Their “crime” has been none other than demanding the basic human needs (clean water, food and shelter). By the Geneva Convention regardless of where you live the basic human rights
Must be respected. I believe ESAi must issue a solidarity press release ASAP.

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Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:51 pm   
not before there is an official letter testifying to the situations in bahir dar. secondly, esai is its member so whoever feels strongly about it needs toget involved and do something.

to repeat myself
well, how about this,
tranquil and tihut... can you guys work together to give us a wholeosome idea of what is going on... both from the goverment and student side. The first thing we shall do after we have as much knowledge on the subject as we can, is write an appropriate letter to be petitioned by all esai members and all others whom we can get the letter to. we also need to somehow reach the students and see what they want and let them be aware of what we are doing. Once the petition is signed then if members agree that we should mediate between the two, we shall form an action plan that i believe will start by talkin to the ethiopian embassy here.
what do yáll think?

Tayitu, you should get involved in galvanizing quick action on this issue[/quote]


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Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:07 pm   
Taytu,

I just want our letter to be more informed than that sorry excuse of a report that we read. Why is this not being reported from more sources? ESAi will stand beside the students if the facts allow us to. By default, I think we can all say that the closing of a university is unwarranted and reflects a need for the government to develop new procedures to manage problems in a university setting. That's about all I got for a letter at this moment.

Anyways.....let's just develop answers to the questions that tranquil, myself, and others have brought up.

Ghion,
I believe your suggestion to approach the Embassy and ask for clarification and more information is legit. I'm assuming that somebody is on this by now....If not, I say get to it already.

A letter can only go out ASAP if the investigation is concluded ASAP.


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Tue Nov 11, 2003 6:59 pm   
I looked for the last two days on Walta Information Center, pro-government news agency, to report the news about Bahir Dar University students. They haven’t reported the news yet but I was able to confirm it with people who live in Addis if there has been a problem reported. The situation as explained to me is as follows:

There was a break out of some kind of diseases at Bahir Dar University. The disease (not specified what it was) was accompanied by a severe diarrhea. The medical doctor of the region informed the free press that around 17 students were hospitalized due to this disease.

From Government side the university dean has denied of any problem in regard to the sickness “allegedly mentioned” by the students. More over the senior Nurse in the university also denied there hasn’t been a report that, at any time a student has contracted a disease with diarrhea except that there have been a few malaria cases. Bahir dar, located by Lake Tana is one of the highly prone areas for malaria. Many students have contracted the disease.

I also agree with the idea of asking the embassy for clarification. Contacting the University and the Ministry of Education is also another option.

Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:54 pm   
[quote="ESATboy"]Taytu,
ESATboy You said,
"I just want our letter to be more informed than that sorry excuse of a report that we read. Why is this not being reported from more sources? "
We don't need to wait around until the Western media picked up the story.
VOA, Radio Stations in Swedn, DC and Bay Area in addtion to the Free press in Ethiopia coverd this story extencively. What else do we need.
My good brother, I was one of the student in AAU, I know the goverment media is biased, so please don't try to down play it.

EASi should act ASAP. Currently AAU students are also going in a lots of problem with the goverment.

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Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:13 pm   
taytu...initiate it! gather info, collect clips of news online, newspaper..., testimonials from student, u can be one of them.. create a convincing and supported argument! you are ESAi- you should do something ASAP.


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Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:14 am   
[quote="Taytu"]
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Taytu,
ESATboy You said,
"I just want our letter to be more informed than that sorry excuse of a report that we read. Why is this not being reported from more sources? "
We don't need to wait around until the Western media picked up the story.
VOA, Radio Stations in Swedn, DC and Bay Area in addtion to the Free press in Ethiopia coverd this story extencively. What else do we need.
My good brother, I was one of the student in AAU, I know the goverment media is biased, so please don't try to down play it.

EASi should act ASAP. Currently AAU students are also going in a lots of problem with the goverment.


There is definitely a concern by ESAians as to the problem faced by students at Bahardar University. Like many of you have suggested, we need to remain calm while initiating a fact-finding mission, meaning we need to get facts as to exactly what is happening. Once we are equipped with the necessary information, then can we act as an organization. I have e-mailed a brother of mine who is a student in Addis and I'll share his response with you all. In the mean time, we all have the responsibility of finding out what exactly is taking place, before this situation turn ugly. I pray it will be resolved quickly and safely.

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Wed Nov 12, 2003 10:13 am   
Taytu,

you didn't have to take it there. I wasn't asking for western sources...so you have mentioned all that I was looking for. Like NewEra mentioned, you need to be forthcomming with your findings.....ESATboy don't do news, he just looks for what's being said in ESAi.

so just to clarify, I wasn't down playing media or journalism in Ethiopia or bringing up government bias...I'm simply stating that the article that we have read from the link posted in this thread leaves a lot to the imagination! It's almost as if they are planning a follow up story. All I'm looking for is multiple sources on the issue (primarily from Ethiopia and then anywhere else is fine). you can clearily see the many questions that have come up on this thread do to the incompleteness of this report. that's why we need more and why a letter is not up here waiting to be sent out.

Thanks to everybody who is contacting a friend/relative in Ethiopia.

Can anybody get in touch with a student council rep, Bahir Dar University student?


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Wed Nov 12, 2003 3:08 pm   
Like everyone said, I am not clear what the deal is with this issue. As big as it is, it is not on the news and there is nothing to clarify the questions we have been posting. I will try to call the Embassy in LA and find out what they know. And I will keep looking for other sources. But I don't think signing petition is a good idea until we know the whole story.

Thank you and peace to all

Wed Nov 12, 2003 5:40 pm   
Wed Nov 12, 2003 6:04 pm   
[quote="ESATboy"]Taytu,


"I wasn't down playing media or journalism in Ethiopia or bringing up government bias...I'm simply stating that the article that we have read from the link posted in this thread leaves a lot to the imagination! It's almost as if they are planning a follow up story. All I'm looking for is multiple sources on the issue"
In addtion to my previous posting
Here is more news coverage. I know my friend called Addis last night,
and he was told the following three issues regarding the students.

1) Bahar Dar University is Closed and students became homeless
2) Addis Ababa University Students are in confrontation with Government regarding fee. This morning the leader of the students gave an interview to Addis News Their case reached to Meles’s office. Read the link below

http://www.news.com.et/Gazettas/AddisZena/Archives/1996/Hedar/02/AddisZena1.020396.sera.html
3) Over 2000 students are stranded in Addis Ababa, listen to VOA report.
http://www.voanews.com/real/voa/africa/amha/amha1800a.ram

What do you guys need more d to show our solidarity?
ESAi needs to act sooner than later.

PS. Nohome,
What else do you need? Can you show your solidarity to these students or NOT? I hope you will join the rest of us to voice

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Wed Nov 12, 2003 7:17 pm   
i need to confirm this but i was told by some one who came from Addis today that Bahir Dar University is now back open. it is sad that 2000 students have not got a placement yet and the situation needs to be considered. but for those of us who have been away for some time keep in mind that the matriculation exam system(from12 grade) is no longer in place. i don't know what kind of exam they now seat after two years from 10th grade. the news says there were 25,000 degree students placed in the universities. that is news to me. how many diploma students are now admited? are those that go to vocation considered diploma students? who here knows how the new system is supposed to work? i am lost.

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Wed Nov 12, 2003 7:46 pm   
Selam All,

I called the Consulate office (the Ethiopian Embassy branch) in La but they didn't provide me with any new information. The Consul general said he heard Bahir Dar University was shut down but he doesn't know the detailed information about it.

He said, he will try to find out the whole story of this issue in the next 2-3 days and will let me know. By then, they may put something on their website. I will post any new information that I receive but if you want to check yourself, here is their contact info.

Their website is: www.ethioconsulate-la.org
Their phone number is: (213) 365-6651
And their email is :info@ethioconsulate


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Taytu, I don't know if it's just the computer I am using but I can't access any of these links and I couldn't hear anything. So, I am really curious what it says.

Quote:
http://www.news.com.et/Gazettas/AddisZena/Archives/1996/Hedar/02/AddisZena1.020396.sera.html
3) Over 2000 students are stranded in Addis Ababa, listen to VOA report.
http://www.voanews.com/real/voa/africa/amha/amha1800a.ram


When I try to open this links, all I get is squares and crupt files.
Do you mind posting the text (by cut and paste)?

Thank you.

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Wed Nov 12, 2003 8:33 pm   
Quote:
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how many diploma students are now admited? are those that go to vocation considered diploma students? who here knows how the new system is supposed to work? i am lost.


I found this piece of information on the following website: http://www.aiga1992.org/tda-news03.htm

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A TDA Success Story: Kelamino!


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Aiga Forum-Nov 03,2002, The story of Kelamino high school success continues. Following on the foot steps of their senior brothers and sisters who passed with flying color the 12th grade national exam, many of the 10th grade students at Kelamino have also scored a perfect score. The 10th grade national examination results have come out and once again Kelamino did score amazing result. Out of 58 students who sat for the 10th grade examination, 30 scored 4.0, 19 scored 3.88, 3 scored 3.75, 2 scored 3.63, 2 scored 3.25 1 scored 3.13 and the last one scored 2.88. All are now eligible to pursue their academic studies with flying colors. None will be required to go to vocational schools.

Kelamino as we all know is sponsored by the Tigray Development Association. TDA is a non-profit organization. The success of all the programs TDA runs depend on our support. Kelamino and the newly established Mekelle Institute of Technology (MIT) are two programs we the Diaspora can easily help. Mekelle Institute of Technology is opening its doors to incoming students soon and Kelamino will continue as boarding high school. Aiga Forum calls upon all of us to do our best to sponsor a student at MIT.

The cost for each student at Mekelle Institute of Technology is $4.00 a day and $1460.00 a year. This is a small cost and we must all contribute towards sponsoring a needy student. Those who would like to get more information can contact the school using the following email: mekit@telecom.net.et



Yilkal, according to my knowledge of the system, high school students have to take the national exam in 10th grade. For those who got good scores, they have the choice to continue until 12th grade, to go straight to University, or to attend any other schools that focus on their interest (like hand on experience school).

For those who did not pass the exam, either they have to pay for their education to continue or they have to go to vocational school. I am not sure, if they have to pay for the vocational school or if it is free and not sure on the application process to attend vocational school. This is the idea of the new examination system; but of course the result of it is not very satisying b'se from what I hear, a lot of students don't get realistic opportunity to go to vocational school and it is psychologically depressing not to pass an exam and to have the confident to succeed in life by attending vocational education.

Wed Nov 12, 2003 8:57 pm   
Tranquil
The four refarance that I listed said, Bahr Dar University students have sought shelter at st Gorge church in the city after they were cheased by government forces which descended down on campus dormitories on Thursady night.

These students were planning to stage a peacefully demonstrate over the unsafe meals and drinking water.

If these are not enough facts to ESAi to show the brothers and sisters, then ESAi has a major problems.

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